What I love about Iko is that every other member of the Rampion Crew had a reason to loathe Levana. Murder, forced marriage, you name it. But Levana never affected Iko directly; she was just RIDE OR DIE for Cinder, and I think that’s beautiful.
I honestly love Channary so much omg I want an autobiography by Channary I would read a book about what Channary has for dinner every night like where can I buy Channary plush dolls
If Channary had never died:
-Channary visits Earth a lot (for royal reasons),, and takes Cinder with her
-Ahem, I mean Selene
-Therefore she hangs out with Kai A LOT when they’re little
-And Kai nicknames her Cinder when they’re playing Marco Polo and Cinder falls into the dusty fireplace
-And Torin kinda doesn’t like it when Kai hangs out with Cinder alone (cuz of mind power stuff)
-But he totally warms up to her
-And there’s no letumosis (atm) because Channary doesn’t see a reason to weaken Earth (atm)
-And Levana is bitter af
-And cuz there’s really no need to be making an antidote for a disease that isn’t around, the shells are safe (for now)
-And because Dr. Darnel is the royal reasercher guy
-Cress, Cinder (and Winter who is just as pretty, but not as crazy) are really good friends
-But Winter hangs out with Jacin a lot
-And Cinder and Cress met Wolf because Channary decided it would be a good idea to have a younger person start out as a gaurd
-But Cress is really scared of Wolf
-When Cress and Cinder are older they take a trip to earth (without permission)
-They’re ship crash lands in America
-So they run into Throne
– (Who is more concerned about the ship than them tbh)
-So he takes them where they originally wanted to go (France)
– After MUCH negotiation
-(Didn’t want to mess with crazy lunar royalty)
-And Wolf was dragged along because he’s Cinder’s gaurd of course
-And they meet Scarlet
-Then Channary finds out and of course Cinder ends up in a lot of trouble
– But it was totally worth it
-Etc.
-My only problem is Iko??? (And Kinney)
If Channary had never died:
-Channary visits Earth a lot (for royal reasons),, and takes Cinder with her
-Ahem, I mean Selene
-Therefore she hangs out with Kai A LOT when they’re little
-And Kai nicknames her Cinder when they’re playing Marco Polo and Cinder falls into the dusty fireplace
-And Torin kinda doesn’t like it when Kai hangs out with Cinder alone (cuz of mind power stuff)
-But he totally warms up to her
-And there’s no letumosis (atm) because Channary doesn’t see a reason to weaken Earth (atm)
-And Levana is bitter af
-And cuz there’s really no need to be making an antidote for a disease that isn’t around, the shells are safe (for now)
-And because Dr. Darnel is the royal reasercher guy
-Cress, Cinder (and Winter who is just as pretty, but not as crazy) are really good friends
-But Winter hangs out with Jacin a lot
-And Cinder and Cress met Wolf because Channary decided it would be a good idea to have a younger person start out as a gaurd
-But Cress is really scared of Wolf
-When Cress and Cinder are older they take a trip to earth (without permission)
-They’re ship crash lands in America
-So they run into Throne
– (Who is more concerned about the ship than them tbh)
-So he takes them where they originally wanted to go (France)
– After MUCH negotiation
-(Didn’t want to mess with crazy lunar royalty)
-And Wolf was dragged along because he’s Cinder’s gaurd of course
-And they meet Scarlet
-Then Channary finds out and of course Cinder ends up in a lot of trouble
– But it was totally worth it
-Etc.
-My only problem is Iko??? (And Kinney)
Okay, so I’ve been thinking about escort droids for awhile now, and I’m thinking about it’s link to modern society and about Iko in particular.
So we are all to assume these are androids designed to appear as young and attractive men and women. Now, thinking back to the douchebag Thorne got Darla from, he probably looked older than the late teens, early twenties-looking escort droid (as seen in Wires and Nerves). He basically paraded Darla around like his trophy girlfriend, which is gross because a) Darla does not have the freedom to choose whether she wants to be his trophy girlfriend or not and b) Mr. McDouchebag is proudly parading around a teenage girl like it’s acceptable. And the fact that no one at the poker table questioned this (whether they knew she was a droid or not beside the point) is creepy.
And I think this reflects Thorne and Cress as well at the table. Clearly, Cress is a young adolescent girl and Thorne is an adult male. No one in particular thinks it’s wrong that two people with such an age difference (in terms of life experience because this scenario would be different if Cress was aged up).
This disturbs me a great deal because this reflects modern society.
Has the male populace in the world of TLC not grown passed the fetishism and sexualization of young, teenage girls? It’s obvious wealthy households would have servant droids, but I have a feeling those of rich bachelors would have young, teenage and twenty-something-looking escort droids tending to their every need.
Of course, I’m sure 30, 40, and 50-something-looking escort droids, those for people who like the company of others around their age or those who need mature-looking individuals for “Real people! Not actors!” in commercials.
These are just my thoughts from the past few days.
Okay, I saved this in my drafts because I wanted to fully type this out after I properly thought it over.
The whole “escort droid” this is squicky right from the start. I mean, they’re called escorts. Escorts, in modern times, are… well… Wikipedia says it best within the first sentence. It’s always struck me as unsettling – and thank you for reminding me of that.
Now, for the age and youth thing. I had to look up the age of consent for Egypt, where the real Farafra resides. It’s 18 during contemporary times, had to look that bit up. Now, this doesn’t mean that it can’t change. So, for the time period, it might not be unusual. I mean, we have a handful cases within the past few years of younger women being in relationships with older men. (Lorde, at 16, was dating James Lowe, 24. Courtney Stodden, 16, married a 50 year-old.) And, sadly, the men were applauded in these situations.
Now, this doesn’t mean I agree with it. At 26 years of age, I find this even more appalling than I did when this stuff was going on. And I’m glad Meyer actually doesn’t normalize it.
She pretty much calls it out and brings it to the attention of many young, impressionable young ladies who are in the age range of the main characters. She makes Monsieur McDouche an easily detestable person and subtly makes Darla’s situation clear to the reader. I mean, calling Thorne “master”? While, for a working droid, this might be normal. Nothing is expected of them outside the normal programming. But an ESCORT DROID saying it? There’s a whole other connotation behind it. One that should make the young ladies who are the target audience think over what it means to be with an older man.
Cress and Thorn are an… interesting pairing. I won’t go into a whole lot of detail because I have seen so much argument about them lately, but I will say this. Thorne never once forced Cress to do anything she didn’t want. He never once took advantage of her being interested in him. We could bring up the point about when he kissed that Lunar, but I will remind you that he was being glamored during that exchange. He was the one being manipulated in that situation.
I don’t think the sexualization of young girls will go away any time soon. As someone who loves to study history and wants to have a career in understanding past cultures, I can look back at previous world and see that teenage girls have always been sexualized in some way, shape, or form without much thought. That is the unfortunate truth. It has to do with fertility and youth and plumpness. There’s some science behind this. I can’t find the article in Psychology Today right now, but it’s there. (There’s something about privilege, not wanting children right away, and having time to do that with a younger woman.) The reason we talk more about it now – why we’re discussing it now – is because of social media. I applaud this. Victoria’s Secret – WORLD RENOWNED LINGERIE BRAND – specifically created undergarments for teenage girls to help stop the sexualization. When a major company knows what’s up, it’s gone too far.
Although, recently, PINK has taken a dive into the wrong section and should be called out on it.
But back to the TLC universe.
Yeah, I can’t help but shudder at the thought of some rich bachelor being tended on by a harem of escort droids dressed as, well, a stereotypical harem. Because that seems like something they would do.
I like to think that some of the rich bachelors role their eyes at their inappropriate friends and acquaintances and trying to point out the positives of being around someone who looks their own age. Like maybe Monsieur McDouche has a friend with a droid who looks 40 or something and he’s quite happy with that but seriously questions his choice of friends – why does he need McDouche anyway? Seriously. Oh, right, their daughters are BFFs – possibly lovers? idk I’m making this up as I go – and they are kind of forced to be around each other for the girls’ benefit.
I kind of wish I could coherently type everything out, everything that I want to say about this and what needs to be said, but I just can’t find all of the words. I hope this brought out a few things for people, and I hope people add onto this. Or even make ammends to it. Thank you, snowy, for posting this and for allowing for this discussion.
What happened when the satellite required repairs? No matter how high tech the hardware was, it had to have breakdowns occasionally.
Did Cress just have to MacGyver it until someone could be sent up to repair it? Did she just have to wait and hope someone got there before the problem became too serious?
Were heavily glamoured workers brought up to fix things?
Sidenote: Don’t imagine Cress seeing another real live person (albeit in a space suit) on the other side of her viewports while they fix a faulty exterior seal, or standing aside while a mechanic patches up the damaged water recycler, only to be entirely ignored in both cases because Sybil has made sure they cannot interact with her. It will only make you sad.
What happened when Cress got sick? No matter how sterile the environment, Sybil would no doubt carry in the occasional cold or flu.
Did she get a sanctioned break from her work to recover? Or did she have to muscle her way through?
Did Sybil bring medications or did Cress just have to suffer through without them?
Sidenote: Don’t imagine a much younger Cress with her blankets wrapped tight around her shoulders, her teeth chattering and her face flushed with fever as she tries to keep working because that’s what Mistress Sybil said to do. It will only make you sad.
Was the satellite ever affected by space weather? Solar storms can wreak havoc with electrical systems, and it’s likely that there were a number of solar storms within that seven year period.
Were there ever any storms severe enough to cause the loss of power, ruined circuitry, and burned out systems that modern satellites face?
How often did Cress have to reboot all her computer systems and restart all her research and essentially start everything over from scratch after losing it all to a particularly nasty storm?
Sidenote: Don’t imagine a frightened Cress watching the power flicker off, then back on while she weathers a storm, hoping that the back-up systems will maintain life support after the main ones collapse. It will only make you sad.
Conclusion: Don’t think about the satellite. It will only make you sad.
I’m not sure that canon truly supports this thought, but the idea of young Lunars who haven’t quite mastered their abilities running around with flawed glamours the same way little middle schoolers run around with shaky eyeliner and too much blush when they’re still figuring out cosmetics just won’t leave me alone.
One is aiming to create bright blue braids like the Queen’s advisor wears, but she can’t hold the illusion as long as she’d like just yet, so the image wavers between her own black curls and the desired braids when she gets tired. Another tries to recreate Princess Winter’s scars for a historical figures day at school, but just can’t quite make them look like right.
They try to pull the same fancy tricks and copy the intricate glamours that their parents and older siblings wear, but their execution is off: the signature wild Lunar party colors come out flat and muddy if they don’t concentrate just right, the impossible hairdos look off-center and blatantly fake if they’re constructed without a friend on hand to act as a live mirror (”A little to the right. No, a little to the left. Okay, it’s even now, but you lost the color you were going for.”), and while any experienced Lunar knows that any attempts at changing their bodily appearance must be made with care to avoid wildly unnatural proportions, the young ones occasionally arrive at parties looking like a badly photoshopped holoimage.
Puberty’s rough, no matter what planet you’re on.
I really like this. I’m also not sure if it’s supported by canon, but it seems like the sort of thing that would happen. And just imagine kids trying to glamour themselves to look like Cinder, and ending up with vastly incorrect cybernetic limbs because they’ve never actually seen Cinder, or really any cyborg before, so they don’t know how it’s supposed to look. And then Cinder seeing them and being flattered and just very, very embarrassed because that’s how she is.
On the note of cybernetics and glamours, I think that glamouring cybernetics would become vastly popular because everyone loves the adorably awkward cyborg princess who freed them from Levant, and it becomes a trend, and at first it’s really awkward for Cinder, but then when she sees people, she complements them, and maybe gives them tips on how to make their glamours look more realistic.
Cinder’s brief rule/the change to democracy and just the overall change of leadership changing lunar culture, especially when it comes to glamours.
I know this isn’t what you meant, but since I just binged all of AtLA, I’m imagining that this kind of scenario happens from time to time, too.
the lunar chronicles is so great man like, futuristic fairytales? heck yes. the oppressed standing up for themselves? give me that shit. four different male characters who fall in love despite their better judgement? yes please. and four individual female protagonists who are strong and beautiful and kind in their own way? siGN ME THE FUCK UP.